Deal notes for the call
Each block: one line to open, three thoughts, one thing to draw. No company names out loud or on the iPad.
How I look at any deal
Say it slowly, one line at a time, as you write. This is the frame for everything after.
Deal A · Electrical contractor Open memo ↗
Our first full analysis for him. No offer yet.
- The listing says $352K profit, 3x, DSCR 2. That's a yes on paper. The bank would lend.
- But the tax returns say it lost money two years in a row. The profit comes from "add-backs", things the broker says don't count. $293K of it is building improvements. That's not profit.
- The owner is the business. 70 hours a week, he does the estimating and the bidding. Hire someone to do that: minus $110K. Three customers are 80% of sales. Lose one, you're done.
Ask: Could you sleep owning that?
Deal B · IT services company Open memo ↗ LOI ↗
In his sector. We sent an offer this week: $600K, 90% paid by the seller over time.
- Price $600K, you put in $60K. The seller lends you the other $540K at 5% over 5 years. Payments $122K a year. Profit $200K–$290K. That covers it twice. Good.
- The catch: the biggest client left in December. 28% of the revenue, gone. The broker says "might come back". Might isn't a contract. Revenue went $1.5M → $1.2M → $0.8M.
- Two owners, no manager. Replacing them costs $145K. And ask yourself: why would a seller take 90% on paper? Either he believes in it, or he can't sell it any other way.
Ask: Why would a seller take 90% paper?
Deal C · Smog test shop Open memo ↗ LOI ↗
Biggest one. We sent an offer: $4.25M. Needs a state licence.
- $934K profit a year, steady for three years. Cash business, repeat customers, no big client. That's the good kind.
- $4.25M is 4.5x profit. For a one-location shop, fair is 2.5x–3.5x = $2.3M–$3.3M. Pay 4.5x and the bank loan is $3.4M: $633K a year in payments. DSCR 1.47. One bad year and the bank owns the shop.
- Two things nobody mentions. There's no owner salary on the books, so who does the work? And the licence is the seller's. You can't run a smog shop without yours.
Ask: What happens in one bad year?
Pick one
"Runs without owner" = if the owner walks out tomorrow, does the business keep going? Electrical: no, he's the estimator. IT: no, the two owners do everything. Smog: yes, the staff run it (you still need the licence).
Ask: Which one would you buy? Which one is the platform for your roll-up?
Only the IT company is in his sector. That's the bridge to his plan.
His plan: the 8x promise
His PDF says: IT firms sign a contract, stay separate, the group sells in 1–3 years at 8x, he takes 20%. The 5x-vs-8x example is his own, from the PDF.
- Take an owner with $1M profit. Today a broker sells him at 5x = $5M. Broker fee 8% = $400K. The owner nets $4.6M.
- Your plan says 8x. 8 × $1M = $8M. Your fee 20% = $1.6M. The owner nets $6.4M. Sounds great. But the owner only wins if the group really sells above 5.75x. Below that, the broker was the better deal.
- Who pays 8x? Big buyers pay 8x for a group with $5M+ profit. $5M profit = 10 to 50 small IT firms, each with its own owner, held together by a contract. Buyers pay for ONE company. A contract between ten isn't one.
Ask: Who buys the group at the end? Who signs first, and why would he?
Say: "One more thing. A listed business is for sale. The broker won't let you 'sign it up' for a year. You buy it, or you don't. Your group only works with owners you find and convince yourself."
Our plan: one company Owner Q&A ↗
- Give each owner a menu. Less cash now, more shares, higher price. They pick.
- Everyone closes the same day, and that day the company lists. Nobody is paid before the listing. Owners keep running their firm on a 5-year contract. They keep their building and lease it back.
- Why it works: it's one real company, so a buyer or the market prices it as one. No deposit from you; we carry the costs until listing. We're building this now in another sector.
Ask: Would your owners take shares? Which option? How many say yes today?
Never promise a share price or a multiple. "Public groups get valued higher" is the most you say.
How it's paid for
- Plan A: list it. The IPO pays the owners' cash. A seed investor pays the IPO costs, $0.5M–$2M.
- Plan B: raise it all privately at once. Possible. Hard.
- Plan C: buy the first company with an SBA loan. Then build on it. This is the one you can start Monday.
Ask: Who do you know with capital?
Next 90 days
Ask: Who are your first 3 owners? What do you do tomorrow?